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Hey, Chris.
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I'll have to have you back here again, man.
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And you know, we talked about your history in the game before, and to me it's exciting to see somebody who's had the opportunity to play so many different places, whether it be with the Yankees organization, the Blue Jays, the Tigers, the Nationals, I believe as well.
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And frontier League Pecos.
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Man,, you saw quite a bit of career and we kind of traveled with you on some of that.
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The last time we talked.
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I think we were getting to the point where you were going to be with the Blue Jays.
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Tell us how that step happened.
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Yeah, so I was signed by the Yankees in 20 13.
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I unfortunately showed up to camp with like a stress reaction in my middle, in my forearm.
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So I missed my first full year with the Yankees.
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Re-signed with the Yankees in 2000, or stayed with the Yankees in 14.
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Had a good year.
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And then 15, I got res resigned.
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And then I had a really good camp, actually, but then, I don't know, I don't even know if I brought this story up to you, but I got released the last day of camp in 2015 by the Yankees, and I'd only given up one hit all spring.
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I was pretty, I thought I was gonna go to Double A, you know, they gave me the, I was, I guess I was at 26, man, Ann, on that AA roster and I'll never forget it.
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And I, I'm packing up my locker got my car all packed up.
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I'm ready to drive up to Trenton, New Jersey.
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And I go, I'm like they tell me to meet, meet him back in the back room.
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And I thought Danny Burrell was my pitching coordinator at the time, and I thought, oh, like, he just kind of tell me like, Hey, just continue to do what you're doing, da, da, da.
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So I go back to the pitching coaching office and nobody's back there except for Greg Pavlick.
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He was kind of our rehab coordinator and everything like that.
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He's an awesome guy and.
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He goes, Hey, good luck, Smitty.
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You gonna keep pitching?
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And I was just like, what do you mean?
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Am I gonna keep pitching?
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Of course I am.
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I said, I'm like about to go to Trenton, New Jersey.
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And he is like, oh, oh, okay, well good luck to you.
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So I walk out of the room and I already, mind you, I've already been released three or three times at this point.
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So right then and there I was like, something's about to happen.
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So I walk out, I text one of my good friends, Alex Smith, who's on his way up to Trenton already, and I'm like, dude, I think I'm about to get released.
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He's like, man, no way.
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And then Sure.
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Shit, two seconds later, you know, Gil Patterson comes over, he is the other pitching coordinator at the time, and he goes, come here, Smitty in.
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And I was like, uhoh.
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I was like, there's the reaper.
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I know.
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And so, and I've been seeing guys, you know, it's, it's, it's tough.
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During spring training we talk, this is another thing too about spring is you see a lot of your buddies that get cut.
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You know, and get, get released.
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And that's a, that's a difficult part of the game too, is like you lose friends in this game that go to different organizations or lose their job, you know, that's a, that's a very tough pill to swallow for these guys.
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But yeah, they called me back and they went back there and Gary Denbow was our farm director at the time and kind of just told us, told me basically, you know, like there's some guys that they wanna give opportunities to and didn't really see me fit in the needs of the organization and.
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and, and it's, it was a tough pill to swallow, you know?
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It's like you feel like you kind of give your all, but at the same time you understand the value that's next to your name, and that's a dollar.
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So the dollar amount, unfortunately, in the game of baseball means a lot.
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And I got a plane ticket, you know, to spring training in 2013 and then 14.
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You know, I, I had a decent year enough to, I felt like I'd get an opportunity again in 15.
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But hey, we had to stack, we had stack rosters all throughout our system in that year, so, Yeah, so whenever they released me went home.
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I signed another independent ball contract cuz I was, I mean, the previous year was the first year I was hit 95 as a reliever.
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So I thought, you know, like they, they moved me from a starter to a reliever at that point.
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And so then I was like, Hey, like I can't, I got too much gas in the tank to let it go, you know, I can't, I can't quit now, so come back home.
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I signed a contract with St.
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Paul Saints and then I was home for about a week and then I got a text from Danny Burrell and he said, he just sent me like, Hey, how you doing with like a smiley face?
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And I was like I'm doing great.
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Obviously wish I was still like pitching right now in the season.
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He goes, and then next thing I know, I got a, a call from from the assistant farm director and they actually resigned me to come back.
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So the Yankees resigned me to come back.
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They told me I was gonna go up to double A.
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They put me in extend spring training for a little bit for like three or four weeks.
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And then I went to High A pitched well, and then I went to double A and I, I don't know if I mentioned this to you last time, I had a really good month and then I had one bad outing.
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Probably the worst outing in my career.
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Yeah, I gave up seven runs and like two-thirds of an inning.
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Broken back fits.
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Yeah, it was, it was tough.
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My parents were there in the stands.
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Danny Burrell was at that time.
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I had like a 1.2 or 1.3 RA through my first whole month.
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And then that one bad outing shot me up to like a six or five or something like that.
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And then the next day I got put on the Phantom dl and then the next day we went to Binghamton and was in Binghamton.
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Throwing a bullpen and then two days later they, they sent me down from Trenton, New Jersey back to extended spring training.
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So I drove 17 hours all the way back down to extended.
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Yeah, I was in extended spring training for about another week, and they put me back in high A.
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I was in high A.
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And I went in about about a month and a half, two months without giving up a run, and I got that eerie feeling again.
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I don't know, I, I never forget it.
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I called my agent and I was like, man, I was like, I'm getting a lot of weird looks.
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And I was like, I know we got some guys that are coming off the d l And this is another thing too, like no fault to those guys that are coming off like the disabled list.
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Like they're, they're my buddies too.
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I understand.
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Like where they are in the organization, I understand them.
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The money that's next to their name, again, we're talking about that value, that number.
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And so yeah, then they called me in Tommy Phelps was my pitching coach.
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And Called me in.
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We just got done from a doubleheader and in to like one o'clock in the morning and we drove four hours across the state.
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And then we walked in the next day and we were in Jupiter Florida.
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I dropped off my bags and they said, Hey, Smitty, we need to see in the office.
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And I was like, all right, here we go again.
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And that was tough.
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That was a really, really tough pill to swallow.
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And this is like, and I knew it was gonna be my end of my tenure with Yankees.
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I just knew it.
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You know, you just kind of get that gut feeling.
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It was very challenging because like I told, like I said, like I lost, I felt like I was losing like 25 of my best friends out there.
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And they were also looking in there going, well what more could have this guy could have done?
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You know?
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And that, and that was very disheartening cuz it's like, well that tells me that doesn't matter about what you do, it matters what numbers next to your name.
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Right?
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And, and I kind of emphasized.
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To to the coaches that were in there with me.
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You know, obviously I was a little kind of butt hurt about it, but but I understand it's a business.
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The game of baseball is a very big business.
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And then I was like, you know what, like, Kind of picked my head up and called my mom and dad and was like, Hey, I'm getting released again.
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And, you know, it was kind of devastating for me.
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So I had a buddy that was with the New York Yankees too at the time, and he had a house down here in Tampa.
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He let me stay in his, like, kinda mother-in-law suite in the back.
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And I just kept my arm kinda ready.
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I I was, I would throw in the middle of the street with the catcher, catcher West Wilson at the time I call him.
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He was like the backup catcher to Kyle Higashioka.
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and I said, Hey man, do you mind coming playing catch with me before we go in the field?
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He'd come over a few, few times throughout the week just to keep my arm in shape.
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And then a week later, that's whenever the Blue Jays traded away, like literally all their players, you know.
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That was the David Price year.
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They got David Price, Russell Martin Tulowitzki, and they traded away basically half for farm system.
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Well, my agent thankfully had a good friend within the Blue Jay's organization and that's how I was able to get signed by them and they kind of signed me over.
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They said, Hey, he's ready to go.
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They signed me over.
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I went over to High A with the Blue Jays.
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And Vince Horseman wasn't the kinda the first pitching coaches that I was able to kind of come across.
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And I'll be honest, he was kind of a huge proponent and accelerated my career from there cuz he believed in me.
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Whenever I kind of showed up.
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One of the first questions he asked me was like, well, why did they release?
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And I said, I'm wanna be honest I just don't think I fit in the organization.
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I guess they didn't see future plans for me.
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I guess I was too old at that time.
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I was like 25, 26 in High A.
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And, and he goes, well, he goes, we don't care about your number.
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We don't care about the age here.
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We care about if you can pitch or not.
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So we're looking forward to seeing what you can do.
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and the first night in Dunedin, I, I popped like in 95, I was 95, 96, I was, I was like pitching with my hair on fire, man, So I was feeling like 95, 96.
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And I was actually surprised myself, but I don't know if it was just a little bit of break that I got in between.
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And I started a different workout routine and.
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I'm telling you, I just, and then the whole, and then I, all the guys that were in the bullpen were like, who is this guy?
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And you know, then I, then it's establish, and again, we're, we're going back to a new team and you gotta meet new guys, reestablish yourself.
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So it was cool.
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So then Blue Jay signed me, went to High A there.
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Pitched there for about a month, didn't give up any run.
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Gave up one gave up one solo homer.
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And then then they called me up to double A for like the last like five games of the season cuz they needed somebody.
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And ironically it was against the New York Yankees and Trenton.
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Oh boy.
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Oh yeah.
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So it was cool.
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I got a little revenge.
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I, I had two appearances in those four or five games and I ended up a run and it was, It was exciting.
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And then the Blue Jays in inevitably ended up re-signing me again.
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They went ahead and gave me a new contract for the next year.
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And then that's kind of when I went to Puerto Rico in the off season for winter ball for my first opportunity in winter ball.
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So it's, the story continued from there.
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That's how I initially got with the Blue Jays.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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What was Puerto Rico ball Like?
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What, how was that?
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It was, honestly, it was great.
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First time I felt like I ended, started up making money in minor league baseball.
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Cause when you first signed this like seven year contract, unfortunately it's not like that's the thing is everybody's, oh, you signed, you signed with the New York Yankees, your millionaire da da da.
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No, no, no.
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My first year of the New York Yankees, cause I literally cleared$11,000.
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So it's like, that's just a little bit of a perspective that a lot of people don't, I guess, don't understand.
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So did that and then went to Puerto Rico and they ended up kind of paying you a little bit better down there.
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And I'm gonna be honest, it's where you kind of learn how to win.
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Like winter ball is the first place where you really, really learn how to win.
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Because down there they don't care.
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They don't care.
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But like, they don't, they're not there to develop you, you know, in the minor league system, they're, they're there to develop players.
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So, I mean, teams could go.
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25 game there, or 500.
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It's okay if they're like, top guys.
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Were just getting developed, moving on, you know?
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But in Puerto Rico, the Dominican, they don't care all their, their only goal is to win.
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So I went down there and they, they put me in the setup row.
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Adam Kolarek was a seventh inning guy named Joe Jimenez, who's with, he was with the Tigers.
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He was our closer, he was only like 20 years old at the time.
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And we had a great, then I was in Carolina, so that was cool.
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I got, I mean, I was away all year.
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Went straight there, pitched there.
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I had like 22 appearances.
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our team got eliminated from the playoffs, and then the Dominican team the Australians called me after we got eliminated and was like, Hey we'd like to kind of have you come over here.
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So on New Year's Day, I flew from Puerto Rico to the DR,(Dominican Republic).
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They have a, they have a 14 game round robin in the Dominican, and I threw in about seven of those 14 games over there.
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No so I, I had about 22 appearances in Puerto Rico, and I had another like seven there.
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So I had like 30, almost 30 appearances even in winter ball.
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So then winter ball kind of was coming towards an end and I just got back and then our team in the DR got eliminated.
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I fly back home and it's so funny because I just ran across the gener, the, the manager at the time, his name is Manny Acta for Lesey, and they wanted to draft me.
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So that's the way the.
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Dominican works and like Winter Ball leagues is once a team's eliminated, they're trying to build like a super team for their like Caribbean series, right?
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So so they try to draft me and then I'm, and then I was like, Hey.
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I was like, I'm sorry, I literally just got home from like 10 months, 11 months of being away.
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I'm just trying to spend a little time with my family.
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And I was like but I ended up not re going back down there for the playoffs and then shortly after Puerto, and then I was home for like a week and I got that baseball itch again.
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And Puerto Rico calls me and is like, Hey, we'd like you to come pitch for us in the Caribbean series.
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And I was like, man, I was like, don't know if I'll get this opportunity again.
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And I was like, so I accepted it.
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So, and ironically the, the Caribbean series was back in the Dominican So I flew back to the Dominican and got to, got to pitch pitch two times down there against Cuba and Venezuela, and then came straight back and went to spring training again with the Blue Jays.
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And then went to, then went to the Blue Jays minor league camp.
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Got a couple like those like kind of come over to Major League camp and back up a couple times.
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I had one appearance over there, which was cool, and then went to AA and became kind of the closure there.
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And it was just it was, I don't know.
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It's like I said, I could, I could spend all day talking about kind of the career that's happened, but yeah, that's, and then Vince Horseman, like I said, I, I, I'll.
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Not say this, but that guy was so pivotal and believing in me, and I think I even talked about the last podcast, you know, just having somebody in your corner that can be like, this guy can do it.
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You know?
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And then putting that like, and at that time I'd already been like, again released like, Four times, twice in the same organization, twice in independent ball.
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So getting that opportunity and then them actually sitting down and believing me, putting me in a closure role and Double A going, you deserve to be here.
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We're not sending you to High A.
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We're not, we're not releasing you, we're not putting you in AAA.
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Like, we know what you got.
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We just wanna see you come and like really bring out your full potential.
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And I'm gonna be honest, like Vince Horseman did that, he started working with me on a daily basis.
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We had a great routine Bob Tarpey and Brian Pike.
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They were like my trainer and my.
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And and I guess our athletic trainer, they, they really like worked with me too and we just had such a good routine.
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And I just, and then the next thing I know, I was throwing like 97, 98.
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So kind of established myself and started opening up a few eyes in the organization.
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Gil Kim was our new farm director.
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The kind of Blue Jays was kind of changing some people over and had a great year that year in Double A and then got an opportunity in AAA at the end of the year when the September call up happened.
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And then did pretty well there.
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They put me in the closure role immediately and AAA all the guys went up and then we got called in the office towards the end of the year and they were like, Hey guys we're going to There's, there's probably like eight or nine of us and they said, Hey, we're going, you guys are gonna basically be going down to hot camp to stay hot just in case we wanna call you guys up to the major leagues.
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And for me to be even part of that conversation after kind of the journey and road I've been on, I'm like, shit, sure, no problem.
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Like, I'll go, no problem.
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No, no big deal.
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Like, yeah, I wanna keep pitching.
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So I came and, but the only problem was, is I booked a cruise.
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In like February or January of the year before, not thinking this was even on the radar, to be honest.
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I thought, oh, okay.
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If I get an opportunity in AAA and just kind of establish myself there, that'd be great.
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So they called me in and they say, we've got an opportunity to go to the big leagues.
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And I was like, oh.
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but it was like, it was gonna be like 15 or 20 days later once I got in Dunedin.
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So I thought, oh, it's okay.
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Like if I'm not called up by them, then I'll just go on this cruise.
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But obviously if I'm called up, I'll reschedule this cruise.
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Don't care.
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So ironic.
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So what happened was I'm down in, down there in Dunedin and everything's.
